Mar 11, 2007

Peut_on avoir un futur quand le passé est si présent?

*Can we have a futur when the past is so present?

20 comments:

Sam said...

krys just live the present moment... miss u a lot

Rany said...

oui on peut.

frencheagle said...

Faut connaitre le passé dans le présent pour préparer l'avenir ;)

Coco said...

oui on peut avoir un futur et le l'aura she2na am abayna, mais quel avenir?

frencheagle said...

by the way

faut pas dire futur: ca a une connotation politique en ce moment.

remarque comment j ai dis avenir

c est comme les couleurs, si tu portes de l orange t es cataloguée aouniste, du bleu, du futur etc...

je ne peux mme plus boire de l orangina :'(

_z. said...

Mais c'est que le passe sera toujours present, puisque le present est deja passe.

le truc c'est qu’il faut essayer d'ameliorer le futur, pour que le present soit mieux, et ainsi sera ton passe.

donc un passe agreable emanant d'un bon future, n'est pas si present.

le moment sera vecu.

Liliane said...

Past is crucial to learn from, remember the good moments giving you hope to have more good moments, but not to keep you from improving or "moving on". Definitely not. Life is a series of moments, just make sure you spend as much good moments as you can.

Oh am I a bit too cheerful today or what

MMMMMMMMM said...

The quiestion is, can you still remember your past when your future is being shaped in every moment?? hikam na3am hikam!

Krys said...

sam>> we are living the present c'est pas ca le probleme.
Miss u too...tu reviens kan a paris ?

frenchy>> parfois il nous arrive qu'a force de connaitre le passe dans le present de ne plus pouvoir anticiper ou plutot preparer le futur.

Et puis est ce que je dois jeter les jonquilles que j'ai ds ma chambre au risque de me rallier a HA? :))


coco>> on va pas echapper a notre avenir certes mais t'as raison quel avenir? est ce celui qui est en rapport avec le passe si present ou bien avec le present sans passe?

Krys said...

_z. >> I agree with you, c'est le futur prepare au passe qui fait le present.
Mais je pense qu'il vaut mieux ne pas parler de 3 temps, passe, present et futur. Il est plus convenable de dire : il y a trois temps, un present au sujet du passe, un present au sujet du present, un present au sujet de l’avenir...
un present relatif au passe, la memoire,
un present relatif au present, la perception,
un present relatif à l’avenir, l’attente .

Quand je me souviens du passe, c’est un acte que j’accomplis dans le present. Le present du passe, c’est bien la memoire.
Quand je me projete dans le futur, c’est aussi dans le present. Il faut donc parler d’un present du futur dans l’attente.
Le present du futur reside dans mes attentes.
Le present du present reside dans mon attention et ma presence. :)


liliane>> yep past shouldn't keep us from improving, these are souvenirs depending on the memory.
Past no longer exists true and then again I'd say the same as I said to _z. :)

Good to see people in a good mood :))



M>> The past belongs to your spirit, you can't just erase it but maybe we could let the past "a sa juste place" to free the present and shape the futur in a different status than the lived past.

_z. said...

aren't we saying the same thing krys?

_z. said...

oh by the way, i think you may find this relevant. It is one of my earliest posts:
urban_memories [the unfinished polaroids]: Ode to a Polaroid!

acidfog said...

You can't forget the past, it's part of who you are, it's the thing that made you what you are today, there are so many things that people wish to forget, but you can't really do that, you just have to try and live with it, because trying to forget it makes it more painful!

Krys said...

_z. >> we are totally saying the same thing and I told you I agree with you.
I thought about what you said & that's why I mentionned the change in the "nomenclature".
But the bottom line is the same :)

And I liked a lot the polaroid post, so true...especially how you ended the post
"We wait in the present, which actually is the immediate past, for something from the past to appear in the near future, that is soon to become present, and then past..."



acidfog>> Noooooo nobody wants to forget the past, the thing is how to manage the future without a burdening fast :)

shrrr said...

hein? futur? c koi? ca existe? non ! pas encore!!! alors c koi ta question???

:)))

Krys said...

question? quelle question?
khalas c'est deja du passe :))

stigma said...

short answer:
no

middle answer:
let go of the past

do you want a long answer?

Krys said...

yep stigz hit me with your long answer.. :)

Khawwta said...

Biensure, après tous ton futur est le fruit du présent.. A la libanaise, "ma btit3alami gheir min kissik" tarikhik bi3almik

Stigma said...

belated long answer:

No. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no.

Your question implies that the past you are talking about is more of an obstacle for the future. The problem is not the past, the problem is regarding the past as a weight to carry on in the present and into the future. Regardless if that's true or not, or if you have a point or not, or if the past has a good reason or not to be so present; just let it go.

Oh btw, The past isn't what happened, it's just what you remember. The future is a concept, it doesn't exist.